It's too early to open things up. Are we that stupid?? This virus is not finished with us by a long shot. Why can't we be patient and not let it destroy us??
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It was never about not getting the virus. The lockdown was to slow the spread so hospitals were not overwhelmed. 90% of folks recover. Two months into it and 30 million people are unemployed/lost businesses. Since when is life about the dead and not about the living. No one wants people to die. But living in abject fear is not living. Those of us who can, should go forth. Those of us who should not, dont have to.
It's too early to open things up. Are we that stupid?? This virus is not finished with us by a long shot. Why can't we be patient and not let it destroy us??
@Ronny Lillard Are you going to give a single fact to support this theory of yours or just copy and paste the same answer repeatedly?
Here’s some points for you to consider (and some sources to back them up) if you have an open mind are interested in anything beyond just calling people names:
The initial 2.2 million dead in the US projection came from Dr. Neil Ferguson and his team based on undocumented 13 year old software (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-lessons-from-the-asteroid-that-didnt-hit-earth-11585780465) that has produced such wonderful predictions in the past as warning the world that 200,000,000 people could die from swine flu and over a 7 year period only 282 people died. (https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked) These are also the same people that predicted that the bird flu could kill 150,000,000 (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/30/birdflu.jamessturcke) and in the last decade and a half only 861 people have died (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mortality_from_H5N1). There’s a lot more but just fun the last example is that thanks to these "experts" over a 6,000,000 animals were killed to prevent the spread of foot-and-mouth disease and it turned out to be completely unnecessary (https://en.mercopress.com/2011/05/10/mass-culling-of-farm-animals-when-outbreak-of-fmd-unnecessary-say-scientists). Should be no surprise but these people have been proving wildly wrong once again with current models dropping the death count from 2,200,000 down to 60,000 (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/491715-key-coronavirus-model-revised-downward-predicts-60k-deaths-in-us-by-august)
A study discovered that the infection curve remains consistent in almost every country in the world regardless of locking down or not. (https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-end-of-exponential-growth-the-decline-in-the-spread-of-coronavirus/)
Daily deaths world wide have been in decline since early April (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#daily-deaths)
COVID-19 patients haven’t been overwhelming NYC hospitals and every projection has been laughably wrong (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1255678979043778560?s=20) causing some NYC doctors to urge it’s time to re-open (https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/)
Stanford study show that the COVID-19 death rate is about on par with the flu and ranges from 0.1-0.2% (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf)
Over 70% of people in NYC who died had other medical conditions (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf) And a report from Italy claims that could be as high as 99% for them (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says)
The CDC doesn’t require proof of infection to claim someone died from corona virus (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf) PA for example as a result recently had to remove hundreds of deaths from their counts (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pa-removes-200-deaths-from-state-coronavirus-count-as-questions-mount-about-reporting-process-accuracy/ar-BB13a4XF)
Anyways, there’s a lot more that could be said, but that should give at least a starting point…
@Drenathor - Sorry old friend, I just don't think I called you any names...And, I don't appreciate that you accused me of that. Secondly, I posted my opinion....That's still OK, isn't it? All your "facts" don't change anything, and you will soon know that...Since you feel that it's OK to insult me by saying I did something that I didn't do, I have no interest in clicking on the bs you felt was required. From the beginning, I made it clear that I didn't post in order to argue, and that's exactly what I meant. You started off being courteous and polite, so I engaged in a conversation with you...You should have kept it that way...Since you decided to insult me, let me say a couple more things to you... Don't bother to reply, I'm not interested in you, nor anything else you have to say...Have a nice day...Oh yeah, I did call someone a moron because he started his first reply to me with "... then stay the fuck home"...After that, the rest of his post meant nothing...
Then stay the fuck home. No one is forcing anyone to leave their homes or open their businesses. No one can force you to be exposed to anyone!
You're a fu**ing moron...
Be patient?! I bet you are one of those who is still getting a paycheck and can buy food, pay his bills, and sit at home and tell the rest of us what to do! This is about our personal survival and our country’s survival! We are still a free country and all these “rules” being forced on us are illegal and against The Bill of Rights! If you want to stay home forever, feel free! But those of us that want our lives and liberty back won’t put up with being prisoners in our own homes and country any longer! We will respect others by social distancing when required due to their age/health, but our lives will be lived as normally as we can. #openthestates!
it is time to put an end to the state governments mandates to keep the people under their control. the last time I read our Constitution it said all are guaranteed the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not to be slaves to the desires of those in government and those who want the rest of us to pay for their living! We will fight for our rights if necessary!
Actually modern research would suggest that the virus may be on its way out. So it may in fact be (close to) finished with us. And now that we have real data coming in and don't have to rely on computer models we know that the death rate is WAY lower than originally though so it's very unlikely to destroy us either.
Let me know if you want sources. I'm more than happy to link you to the latest facts or studies if you want to look them up for yourself (or to summarize it for you if you don't have the time to read a bunch of stuff).
Thanks for that! We keep hearing “follow the science” and that’s what you are doing. Good to know others out there are not just listening to the media, the government “scientists”, and governors. We need to do our own research.
It's too early to open things up. Are we that stupid?? This virus is not finished with us by a long shot. Why can't we be patient and not let it destroy us??
@Ronny Lillard Sadly name calling isn't an argument and is unlikely to convince anyone of your position.
I've posted a number of things for you to consider elsewhere and your only response to date has been to say that you're not looking for an argument. But here you are copy and pasting your same message over and over again. You must really be having a rough time with the "quarantine". It's too bad you're not even willing to look at or engage with what doctor's and scientists are saying on this subject. But hey. You do you.
I think it should reopen because people on these forums can get together, get the virus and die. Might help the average IQ in America :). Also if the fact that over a thousand people dying yesterday doesn't stop you going outside you deserve to get it IMO
It would help if it kept people like you off. The state and our country should open because Americans need to work and be able to earn a living. Perhaps we will learn a lesson about how to plan better for ourselves if this happens again, but probably not. Here in WV though, we are not living on top of each other and are not crowded into huge apartment bldgs. so that the threat is not so great. A thousand people did not die in WV.
@ewlight No. Your president should put measures in place to help pay people like what was done in the UK. At the very least have a functioning unemployment system like in Canada where someone got benefits in 2:30 mins because he lost his jobs to COVID-19 unlike in America where people have called the unemployment office for weeks and got nothing.
@mrwhywanyou MY PRESIDENT is the best!!! YOUR GOVERNOR is in charge of your state.
If Gov. of NY, Couomo, sp? had not put the patients in the nursing homes, so many people would not have died!! He is either an idiot or evil...maybe both!! I am not going to live my life in fear, period.