There are plenty of "reasons", some perhaps more valid than others, for the riots in Minneapolis and LA so far, but expected to reach many more cities. These are systemic problems only anecdotally related to "racism", which is a simplistic excuse, not a reason.
We haven't had equal justice at any level of the 'system' for several decades. Where are the criminal prosecutions for politicians raking millions off the top in scam after scam? Where are the jail terms for bankers whose companies have paid billions in fines...but no personal accountability? Where are the charges against the governors who have broken their own lockdown rules? What about the Coup attempt? Fast and furious? Even down to every day speeding tickets - no matter your evidence, the cop is always right. What about George Floyd? Choked to death wearing handcuffs, and no arrest.
Police from the peoples point of view: I know several great cops. But the bad ones destroy the entire institution of law enforcement because you don't know who you can trust. Comey at the top along with Brennan are great examples of ultra-corrupt lunatics. No charges. This type of thing goes on every day against hundreds if not thousands of regular Americans. State cops SWATing businesses for "not social distancing". Imagine! Local cops do the same thing - enforcing unconstitutional laws, crushing law abiding citizens with SWAT raids, threats of force and death. And people wonder why there are riots.
People from the Police point of view: Cops have to deal with dregs of society...people you have nightmares about. Cops keep them away from your door, for the most part. They risk their lives every day doing this, and it takes it's toll, not just on the cop but their families too. They do this under rules of engagement that severely limit their chance of survival - but they still do the job. The good ones deserve more that we can ever repay...the bad ones should get out and find something else to do before they lose it.
Judges and Prosecutors: these are the real source of the problem. The Prosecutor plea bargains felonies down to meaningless misdemeanors to get a guilty plea, or doesn't bring charges at all. The Judge, unless forced to, gives light sentences for violent crimes and let's everyone out of jail to prey on the public again. What a laugh they must have at our expense. It's no wonder that the good Police get pissed...arresting the same violent offenders at great risk to themselves only to see them on the street again faster than they can get the car turned around.
So, it's no wonder people are going mad. It's a mad, mad world. To coin a phrase: "No Justice, No Peace". It's true - but it goes for everyone. We the People, the Police, the Politicians, the Wall Street big shots. The same justice for everyone. Equal Justice Under the Law. Very little of this has to do with race. It is a human condition that affects us all, equally.
Our Institutions have been destroyed by corrupt Judges and Politicians. Equal Justice Under the Law is the way to rebuild them, if it's not too late.
I hat to agree but the good thing is we Americans are starting to wake up to the fact that people like schiff and pelosi are making laws for us lowly Americans and another exempting them from that same law fair is fair they need to have the same laws applied to them. There should never have been a 2 tier system.BUT this is mostly the average Americans falt we have become lazy and have not paid attention so they have become brazen and feel they dont have to hide what they do anymore thinking we will continue to let this slide.I hope this is wrong and we need to while we have a good president encourage these laws be changed
It is interesting however that just last year, officers in Dallas restrained a white man in a very similar means (which also lead to his death). The police were even joking about it when the guy passed out and mocking him.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tony-timpa-disturbing-video-shows-dallas-officers-joking-as-they-restrain-man-who-died/
Did people go out and take to the streets in protest? Nope.
Obviously George Floyd should not have died that day, but there is no excuse for the riots that took place here. Watching a black man cry as he talks about how the business he's poured his life savings into was destroyed and looted and admitting he has no idea what he'll do next isn't the result of justice, or heroism, it's just evil thuggery and is imho worse than the original thing that set it off. Yes the death of that alleged criminal was unnecessary and yes those police should be prosecuted... but it wouldn't have happened to begin with if he wasn't committing crimes. The thousands of innocents suffering now in the aftermath of this evil response breaks my heart.
Right. So you just gin up the racism machine even more and keep the real problem buried. What a fool.
So do you give a damn that police undercover were breaking windows and locals stopped them? Hell no. Doesn't play into your racism/criminals story.
So do you give a damn that we have a multi-tier justice system? Nope, doesn't play into your racism scheme.
So do you care that tens of thousands of felons are released by corrupt judges every year, and many were released because of the chinavirus? Hell no, you live in a "safe" neighborhood.
So burning a building is worse than murder? Right. /sarc
"the death of that criminal": How do you know George Floyd was guilty of passing a counterfeit bill? He hasn't been to trial, and never will.
Until people realize that the problem isn't "racism", it's Equal Justice Under the Law, the USA will continue down the drain of corrupt institutions.
I said nothing about racism. Racism doesn't even make sense as an argument since many of the victims of the riots were fellow blacks. What are you even talking about? Why would that be the first thing you jump to?
And who said anything about judges releasing criminals over Covid-19? What does that have to do with anything in this conversation? I mean, I can let you know my thoughts on that, but what are you even reacting to here? I really don't want to use the death of someone to push a political agenda so I'll just let you rant into the wind about whatever it is that you're on about and leave it at that.
No one ever said that burning a building was worse than murder either. Again, what are you talking about? My issue is that innocent people are having their lives ruined. I'm 100% for reform, for protests, for voting people out of office, for having that police office prosecuted (which I said in my earlier comment), and even for investigating Amy Klobuchar's refusal to investigate cops like this one etc. What I have 0 sympathy for is innocent bystanders being used and abused to further an agenda. If innocents have to be abused to accomplish a goal then I want no part in that goal. I believe firmly in the notion that it's better that 10 guilty people go free than 1 innocent person suffer..
Do you support the mugging and abuse of innocent black people so long as it's for a "noble cause"? /s
What is wrong with you? Please leave racism, and advocacy for mistreatment of innocents out of this and stop grandstanding on the fresh graves of someone to push politics. I'm done. Rant all you want, I'm opting out of this stupidity. Your first post was good, I'm hoping you're just drunk or something...
you want but those people need to be arrested.If whites had done what they do we would have been shot. By giving the black community a pass on breaking the law you are letting them know they can get away it with because they are black your pushing the victimhood card
Thank you I to feel that the politicans who encourage this should be held accountable and yes M. Waters, Pelosi and also our entertainment people Giffin once again threaten and encourages the death of a president which is also against the law every time she does this secret service is crawling into her like you would think she had enough brains to stop. But if there are no consequences they feel they can do it again
I'm going to try one more time by telling a story from the Andy Griffith show. Remember, sheriff Andy Taylor and his son Opie would have talks. This is one of them, or at least the best I can remember it:
Son, you're at the pond where there is a no swimming sign. So swimming is against the law. But one of your friends ignored the sign and went swimming anyway. Now he's drowning out in the pond and you are the only one who can help him. Do you obey the law, and let your friend drown, or do you disobey the law and go swimming to save him?
Andy is pointing out that there are times when the law no longer matters, because there are other more important concerns. In the story, it's a boys life.
I have been trying to get across that HUMAN NATURE, not race, income, or any other ancillary concern is the root cause of the MN rioting. Again, Antifa and other groups are coopting this and twisting things, but step by step:
No equal justice at any level, to anyone, anywhere
Faith in ALL INSTITUTIONS, not just justice, is at an all time low.
The chinavirus hoax has really revealed actors for who they are
The pot was already boiling, the George Floyd event just went super-nova
ALL PEOPLE are HUMAN. As such they have limits on their patience. George blew the lid off.
Once the madness starts, the genie is out of the bottle. It is a HUMAN thing. Psychology of mobs is a well studied subject. Read about it.
Breaking "the law" is no longer a concern to a mob. Especially when they feel justified at some level. Payback if you will. It's no longer related to the original trigger. Everyone involved has their own read on the situation. And, there's Antifa.
Once again, there are legitimate, core problems with our institutions. To say there aren't is naive at best. We are on the edge of Marxist revolution.
Marxists/progressives like to think that they can control the HUMAN CONDITION by passing laws. Laws to force everyone to wear a mask, think only one way, use only approved words, do business as dictated, pay whatever taxes and penalties they say, and feel guilty and ashamed if they say they should. They have an army of men with guns (leo) to enforce their diktats, as we have seen recently with SWAT raids on businesses and the arrests of people at the beach, for being at the beach.
This is tyranny. It is un-American, anti-American. It is un-Constitutional, as ALL of these lockdown 'orders' are. The boy is drowning in the pond. What should we do?
That's a rather poor analogy unfortunately. To make it more applicable it should go something like this:
Son, you're at the pond where there is a no swimming sign. So swimming is against the law. But one of your friends ignored the sign and went swimming anyway. Now he's dead because he drowned out in the pond. Now ask yourself, if there hadn't been a low and more people would have been there would your friend have drowned? Laws are only there to control you and the law is what got your friend killed. So want to start going from house to house setting them on fire and stealing anything you can get your hands on to honor your friend's memory?
The first story I get. The friend broke the law, but saving a life is the right thing to do and who could fault him for it? In these riots (we assume) the "friend" broke the law. Bussing in domestic terrorists to destroy a grieving neighborhood has nothing on any level to do with doing the right thing. It doesn't rectify the original injustice. It doesn't help heal the grieving community but instead injures it even more. And finally it leaves long lasting racial divides that make the country worse off than ever before. At every point this is evil. End of story. Pure evil.
Again, everyone here agrees with your assessment as to the grievances surrounding the riots. However look at the other riots that have swept the country with the deaths of Treyvon Martin or Michael Brown. Corona virus and lock downs didn't contribute to those. Now look at comparable situations like the death of Tony Timpa who died in the same manner as George Floyd and ask yourself why nothing happened? Unless you're prepared to make horrifically racist statements about the worth of individuals or the civility of one race or the other I see no way that you can "justify" the riots.
What I see is a dishonest press manipulating people with propaganda and powerful influential sociopaths that profit off of the racial gap in the US seizing on an opportunity with no care or regard for how many innocent people they have to trample in the process. If you want to argue on their behalf then you do you I guess. I however do not condone violence against the innocent nor do I chose to trivialize such terrorism as simply being "human nature".
You are either intentionally obtuse or just plain dumb. I suspect the former. The core of the problem at the outset is the multitier antijustice system, corrupt beyond belief. That is what started things off.
Once the mob gets rolling, no one controls the narrative, or the outcome. It's a free for all and the racebaiters are right up there at the top. Sit on your ivory tower "I however do not condone violence" as being "human nature" and you just give yourself away.
You are a progressive socialist marxist, who thinks laws and government are the answer to everything. They are NOT. FREEDOM and EQUAL JUSTICE FOR ALL have historically proven the best answers to our problems. Socialists/Marxists always end up murdering millions.
One of us is advocating for peace and the other is intellectually defending evil, pain and suffering. So feel free to tell me that my helping people to rebuild in the wake of evil will lead to a world full of death all you want. But if you're looking for someone that will care what you have to say then go sell your hate narrative somewhere else.
I thought this was about the guy who got killed whats the shut down have to do with the tea in china. AS FAR AS THE SHUT DOWN YES PROTEST THAT IS EVERY ONES RIGHT BUT WHEN YOU BURN AND PILLAGE THEN YOU HAVE STEPPED OVER THE LINE.
"The guy" who got killed was George Floyd.
I have been at several "open the states" protests, Patricia. The Governor couldn't care less what the little peop's say. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and just about everyone has grabbed for the brass ring of power, under the false premise of "making people safe".
Let's change the scenario a little bit. Let's take this line from the Declaration of Independence: "He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people."
Let's apply it to all of the shutdown orders: He/she has plundered our businesses, ravaged our towns, crushed our money, and destroyed the lives of our people.
We have petitioned repeatedly, pointed out the lunacy of the numbers and the illegitimacy of the acts themselves. All our efforts have resulted in more arrests and further persecution of our people. Our government is actively killing people and they know it. The boy is drowning. The BOY IS YOUR SON.
So, do we rescue your son (disobey the law) or are you still up for arresting them all (and killing your son)??
I guess your history book must say something along the lines of, when the people saw the injustices done, they wrote the Declaration of Independence. When that was refused their feelings were hurt as they realized that the government wasn't listening to them. At this point human nature took over and they began to riot, attacking women and children in the street and throwing aside morals to terrorize the innocent until England became so horrified by the barbaric activities of Americans that they cut ties with them not wanting to be associated any longer and everyone lived happily ever after.
Many Tories went to New York (island at the time, now city) and took shelter under the Kings protection. It is one of the few places a Tory could be safe during the war, and after it. Many other places Tories had to leave and went primarily to Canada to escape the persecution their treason during the war would have brought them. They lost everything.
Ever wonder why NYC is such a pit? It's been a Tory stronghold ever since the Revolution, and still is.
It has always amazes me how democrats and or liberals express their point of view but when some one else has an opposing view u get indignant and start with the names and derogatory remarks. I will say it again these people are domestic terrorist I dont care its the pope that was shot this isnt a protest its an excuse to steal period.
I read a book about you two once: "Arguing with Idiots".
Sorry patty but I'm not a democrat or a liberal. I'm a constitutional conservative. Your buddy Dreathor is the marxist democrat. At least he talks like one. Try to see past the headlines, past black/white, past all the smoke that you repeat ad nauseum in your posts, drilled into you by the media propagandists.
THINK for yourself. Don't let others do it for you. Learn about the Constitution, ALL of it, and STAND for it, as originally written. When you do you will find quickly how 'unlawful' about 95% of the "laws" are.
Did you know that SCOTUS (supreme court) just ruled that it's OK for states/locals to regulate church meetings? This in spite of the FACT that the FIRST AMENDMENT states in plain english:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
This is the FIRST LINE of the FIRST AMENDMENT. Probably the MOST IMPORTANT of ALL to our Founders. It doesn't say "unless there is an emergency" or "unless the governor says so". And SCOTUS just threw it out the window into the trash can.
That's your "law" for you. You can have it. I'M GOING TO RESCUE THE BOY THAT'S DROWNING!
You keep bringing up things that no one is arguing for and then debunking them as if people will stand back and applaud you for your courage in verbally slaying a boogyman of your own invention.
The fact of the matter is simply that people here are all in agreement that abusing innocent people is not right... except you. And I think at this point we are all wondering why. Of all the hills to die on and to plant your flag and scream with passion... why is it the abusing innocent lives? That's rather sick and twisted if you ask me.
So rant all you want, I on the other hand will continue helping to rebuild the community destroyed by the people you're trying to justify...
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/thats-one-way-end-lockdown
At least somebody gets it.
Everyone gets it. As many people have said, your first post was excellent.
It doesn't mean that beating an old woman in the street is justified (or that beating her husband when he attempted to come to her rescue is justified).
A mob shattering the windows of a vehicle and dragging the innocent occupant into the streets to be beaten isn't justified.
Destroying millions worth of private citizen's assets isn't justified.
Burning down low income housing isn't justified.
It doesn't mean that executing a cop is justified.
Attacking local black residents for having the audacity to try and stop looters from destroying their neighborhoods isn't justified
etc.
Yes we all get it, and we agree that this country is at a boiling point. But senseless violence against unarmed innocent bystanders who overwhelmingly agree with you isn't noble or just it's evil. We all agree that there are injustices that need to be rectified but in what scenario is setting fire to a house with a child inside and preventing the fire department from being able to rescue them justice? Can you at the very least denounce this action from the protestors? Or are you just going to hide behind allegories and say things like "I'm going to save the drowning kid"? WHAT ABOUT THE REAL KID?!
What about the black man that was shot to death by protestors? Can you at least denounce that as evil? Or any of the other deaths? Or is everything ok because it's "human nature" to use the death of a black man and a runaway government to steal iPhones and burn a homeless man's last earthly possessions?
Drenator, clueless commie troll, liar, propaganda minister
If you had half a brain you would realize that George Floyd has been co-opted by Antifa and the Communist left. These aren't protests, moron. This is a communist uprising/insurrection and has been since 24 hours after George was killed. "Protesters" are being paid in cash to carry out the instructions of Antifa. It's on multiple video's if you care to look.
It's well organised, well funded, well planned, and was waiting in the wings for a trigger (George Floyd) to be put into action. This is WAR, communism vs Republican Democracy, sponsored by our friends the Democrat/Communists and their buddies in Communist China. If you can't see that go back in your basement.
George Floyd and the current insurrection/war have nothing to do with each other, except that one triggered the other.
I've been on the front lines facing Antifa before, seen their tactics in person, and faced them down. I will be again. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, COWARD!
Lastly, IDIOT, YOU are the only one making accusations that I approve of anything. All I have done is point out the human motivations, and that your communist answer for everything is more laws, less freedom, to the point of slavery. THAT is what CAUSED ALL OF THIS.
We the People are coming for traitors like you, pal. Better brick up that basement while you can.
And yet... only one person on this site gets mad every single time people call out the actions of the protestors as evil.
Every time someone on this thread says that the protestors went too far you appear and harass that person, begin calling names, accusing them of things without evidence and then explain away the actions to one degree or another of the protestors. THAT is the thing I'm calling you out for.
I'll say it again. The actions of the rioters are evil. Care to denounce them too?
There you go with the name calling and ugly remarks. You have no high ground with your point of view these people have gone beyond the pale they have done drive by shootings took a car and ran it into a group of police they beat a man to death and left on the side walk set fire to an apartment then took cars to block fire fighters and attempted to keep police from reaching where the fire was( there was a family inside). All the above is attempted murder except the man they beat to death murder 1st degree and last attemped murder distruction of property thats the only one's we know of at this time. If this is ok with you then you are a big part of the problem a lot of people are beginning to feel that people that hate this country so much should have the choice to go live somewhere they feel more comfortable and many Americans would willingly donate the money to help you get there. Perhaps you should concider that
says the narcissist communist liar
"Right is right, even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it." - William Penn
Amen
So just to be clear
Thanks. That's all I needed to know.
Unfortunately some people cannot be reasoned with. I just posted to another forum that condoning, excusing and attempting to explain the actions of the rioters only legitimizes them. As an African American whose parents grew up in in the South under Jim Crow and marched alongside Martin Luther King Jr. to demand justice and civil rights be extended to all Americans, I have no problem whatsoever condemning what is currently happening in our country. There are some peaceful protests occurring, but they are being overshadowed by the hateful mobs that are looting stores, burning buildings and businesses, many of them in Black communities, defacing American monuments, and attacking citizens who had absolutely nothing to with George Floyd death's. This is wrong and wicked and there is simply no justifying it. First, I cannot condone the hatred being directed toward police officers or White people. The vitriol coming from some of the rioters is disgusting as are the calls for continued violence by virtue signaling celebrities and politicians. As far as I'm concerned, George Floyd's death should never have been made into a race issue. That Derek Chauvin happened to be white and George Floyd was black is irrelevant to me. If I had seen a similar video involving persons of the same race, or if the officer were black and the person who died was white, I would have been equally appalled at what I saw not knowing all the particulars of what happened and why.
Second, these criminals who claim to be fighting for justice are not only destroying black businesses and neighborhoods, many of which may not be rebuilt, they are destroying all the inroads that we have made toward Dr. King's dream of reconciliation among people of different racial and ethnic backgrounds, and playing into every possible negative stereotype of black people. Everything they are doing is a disservice to the sacrifices of Dr. King and so many others, like my parents, to secure a better future for black people in America. Yes, racism does still exist and it does rear its ugly head from time to time, but there is no denying that life for blacks in America is far, far better than it was for my parents growing up.
America has its flaws as no society is perfect, and racial injustice must always be called out and rightly addressed when it happens, but this rioting has NOTHING to do with fighting racism or seeking justice or even George Floyd's death at this point. It is a bunch of thugs and anarchists who have no morals and no respect for the lives or property of their fellow citizens for themselves; and they want to overthrow a president they hate. The overthrow of President Trump may very well may be the primary goal of the riots at this point: a coup. Whatever the case, the rioters should be dealt with as the criminals they are. And all those condoning and supporting their behavior along with the governors and mayors refusing to act to curtail it, they are equally responsible for every building burned, every property or business destroyed, and every innocent person assaulted or killed as a result of the rioting and looting.
These are not riots or protests - it is a coordinated insurrection by communists who have infilitrated every level of our government and every institution we have, especially "education", aka indoctrination. These attacks have nothing to do with George Floyd, or race, other than our enemies have use him as a trigger for their plans of violent overthrow of our Country "By Any Means Necessary". Look it up - BAMA is the funding and organizing arm of Antifa, one of many heads of the snake.
THINK for yourself and stop repeating the garbage the media is feeding you. You don't get information from the media...you get PROPAGANDA. You have to WORK for your information and vett it carefully.
If you are old enough to remember the 60s you will know that it is these same criminals, communists, who are now directing the carnage. It must be now you see, because they are all old lunatics and they want to see their revolution before they die...they can't wait for another opportunity like this to come along.
I will not respond to further posts here. It has all been said.
"There are plenty of 'reasons' [...] for the riots in Minneapolis and LA so far [...]"
"And people wonder why there are riots."
"THIS is why people are rioting - they are human beings [...]"
"I have been trying to get across that HUMAN NATURE [...] is the root cause of the MN rioting"
Now you're saying, "I can see you haven't read a word of this posting, or if you did it is beyond your understanding. These are not riots [...]". Have you read your posts by any chance (or your title)? It would seem that Dee.king64 has a better idea of what you've said here than you do.
And look, it doesn't matter if it's an insurrection. We're still waiting for you to acknowledge that attempting to burn children alive and preventing people from saving them is bad BTW...
One would think this would be easy for someone who's a self professed constitutional conservative accusing these people of being communists waging war on the government to denounce them and call out actions such as attempting to stone someone to death in the streets as evil.